Todd Cordell: Offense continues to run dry as Flames fall to Coyotes

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Suck it Iggy you fat bastard!!

Somewhere recently I mentioned trying Foo on the top line RW spot. Some people thought I was crazy. I thought he did pretty well, no?...

We generated more scoring chances that our opponents AGAIN!

I'm not sure if I'm a supporter of GG anymore, but his system IS working. It's just the players have no scoring touch. Like, at all. I'm starting to agree with our buddy Kevin R, scrap most of the team and start over

And how bout' that Taylor Hall guy huh?!...
I heard Larsson was poop talking the guy earlier in the season..

Winning right now doesn't help them at all. If the Hurricanes pass them, the picks they do have will be slightly higher. Pretty much who cares either way.

We generated more scoring chances that our opponents AGAIN!

I'm not sure if I'm a supporter of GG anymore, but his system IS working. It's just the players have no scoring touch. Like, at all. I'm starting to agree with our buddy Kevin R, scrap most of the team and start over
- Flamin_Irishmin

I don't get why people think we can't have both? There are alot of coaches in the league who promote great possession stats AND have good line combos. According to the score, Trotz, AV, Queneville all on the hot seat and I'd love to have that last one

Shouldn't have to settle for GG because he brings good systems. We need a coach who can push his players and come up with reasonable line combos

I don't get why people think we can't have both? There are alot of coaches in the league who promote great possession stats AND have good line combos. According to the score, Trotz, AV, Queneville all on the hot seat and I'd love to have that last one

Shouldn't have to settle for GG because he brings good systems. We need a coach who can push his players and come up with reasonable line combos
- LittleBroDougie

All three of the coaches you've named have been called out for questionable line combos when their teams started losing. If you ignore the last handful of games, because who cares, there wasn't really anything wrong with the lineups Gulutzan was putting out there. How do you complain about the line combos when they were regularly outplaying the other teams? If the line combos weren't working, they wouldn't have great possession stats.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.

Yep, I second this. GG may not be "the best", but we just franking can't score.

All three of the coaches you've named have been called out for questionable line combos when their teams started losing. If you ignore the last handful of games, because who cares, there wasn't really anything wrong with the lineups Gulutzan was putting out there. How do you complain about the line combos when they were regularly outplaying the other teams? If the line combos weren't working, they wouldn't have great possession stats.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.
- Hunkulese

Maybe for Trotz or AV. Definitely not for Q. He is still pissed at what Bowman traded away. Primarily Panarin and Hjamersson. (Sp)

Bob Mckenzie reported Quennville could be on the hot seat and could start a ripple effect.

This would be the first person i target.

Bob Mckenzie reported Quennville could be on the hot seat and could start a ripple effect.

This would be the first person i target.
- shayne

Even though you’re a complete nut bar I agree with you. You have to think if Q becomes available he will have about 20/25 teams to pick from.

What other teams will be looking for a goalie upgrade this summer? Signing Raanta as a FA would be solid. Having he and Smith for 2 year would be solid and then Raanta takes over #1 while Gillies and or Rittich get more development or traded with Parsons still developing as well.

All three of the coaches you've named have been called out for questionable line combos when their teams started losing. If you ignore the last handful of games, because who cares, there wasn't really anything wrong with the lineups Gulutzan was putting out there. How do you complain about the line combos when they were regularly outplaying the other teams? If the line combos weren't working, they wouldn't have great possession stats.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.
- Hunkulese

Because losing.

All three of the coaches you've named have been called out for questionable line combos when their teams started losing. If you ignore the last handful of games, because who cares, there wasn't really anything wrong with the lineups Gulutzan was putting out there. How do you complain about the line combos when they were regularly outplaying the other teams? If the line combos weren't working, they wouldn't have great possession stats.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.
- Hunkulese

Man this is soooooo true. Especially with AV and JQ. Hawks fans have been trashing JQ all year lol. Pretty funny.

What other teams will be looking for a goalie upgrade this summer? Signing Raanta as a FA would be solid. Having he and Smith for 2 year would be solid and then Raanta takes over #1 while Gillies and or Rittich get more development or traded with Parsons still developing as well.
- TandA4Flames

Unless he wants out of Arizona, there's pretty much zero chance they let him get to the open market. If he makes it to free agency, the absolute minimum it would take to sign him would be around 2 years 9 million, which the Flames can't afford unless they're trading Smith.

Even though you’re a complete nut bar I agree with you. You have to think if Q becomes available he will have about 20/25 teams to pick from.
- Clyde334

Yeah I am not sure why he would want to come here

Unless he wants out of Arizona, there's pretty much zero chance they let him get to the open market. If he makes it to free agency, the absolute minimum it would take to sign him would be around 2 years 9 million, which the Flames can't afford unless they're trading Smith.
- Hunkulese

Another good point....

All three of the coaches you've named have been called out for questionable line combos when their teams started losing. If you ignore the last handful of games, because who cares, there wasn't really anything wrong with the lineups Gulutzan was putting out there. How do you complain about the line combos when they were regularly outplaying the other teams? If the line combos weren't working, they wouldn't have great possession stats.

Coaching wasn't the issue for the Flames this year, it was the players being unable to finish. Either they were incredibly unlucky this year or they need better players.
- Hunkulese

Completely agree. Neither Gully nor his systems were the problem this year. Our team stats were consistently good and all say Calgary should be comfortably in the playoffs, besides the powerplay (which is more Dave Cameron than Gully). Calgary also leads the League in shots taken that missed the net and they've gotta be up there in posts and crossbars hit too. This year is a combination of bad execution from the players, and straight up bad luck. Coaching is not the issue.

This season is on the players. They didn't execute, and more concerning, were incredibly fragile mentally. If things went bad, they folded and couldn't recover. I don't know why, but this team definitely has some kind of chemistry/locker room issue that needs to be addressed. This team has a lot of talent but can't put it together. I think the team itself is going to be taking the brunt of this, because something needs to change in the chemistry of the team.

Completely agree. Neither Gully nor his systems were the problem this year. Our team stats were consistently good and all say Calgary should be comfortably in the playoffs, besides the powerplay (which is more Dave Cameron than Gully). Calgary also leads the League in shots taken that missed the net and they've gotta be up there in posts and crossbars hit too. This year is a combination of bad execution from the players, and straight up bad luck. Coaching is not the issue.

This season is on the players. They didn't execute, and more concerning, were incredibly fragile mentally. If things went bad, they folded and couldn't recover. I don't know why, but this team definitely has some kind of chemistry/locker room issue that needs to be addressed. This team has a lot of talent but can't put it together. I think the team itself is going to be taking the brunt of this, because something needs to change in the chemistry of the team.
- Helios

I guess I have to disagree with most of you on this coach thing. GG is the wrong coach for how this team was built. Corsi numbers go up because the high degree of shot attempts blew away the opponents shot attempts but if your shot attempts are not in prime position & the only way to score is threading the needle or blowing through 4 guys in front of you, the number of missed shots is the result. There is a reason wingers play on the off wing on power plays, chances are they would hit the fcking net more. The team is still built on Hartley's transition game. How many times did we see the late trailing D come in with a 10 bell chance. there was reason why we had Gio, Brodie & even Wideman in the top 20 scoring that year. If Hartley had the backend we went into this year with plus a goalie like Smith who was able to transition as well, this team would be playoff bound. How often we sat watching at the game as the D were to worried about getting back playing the box instead of being involved. Our coach did & has yet to get the best out of the group we have. He is stubborn & doesn't adjust during the games, let alone watch something be unsuccessful & roll out the same lineup game after game. Heard on talk show some players not 100% like Frolik. Well why did we keep him on that line when it obviously wasn't performing all year. Yes players didn't execute either but it's a total picture & its hard to trade & buyout 15 players but coaching staff is a way easier start.
Agree with me or not, but this was not a great year for paying ticket holders for excitement & entertainment. If this coach isn't gone, I will not buy any tickets for any games next year, I won't pay to watch this style of game. Im sure someone will, go have at her.

Give Gulutzan better players. A top RW would be a nice start, along with an actual back-up not Eddie Lack The players need to be better and so does our powerplay obviously

I guess I have to disagree with most of you on this coach thing. GG is the wrong coach for how this team was built. Corsi numbers go up because the high degree of shot attempts blew away the opponents shot attempts but if your shot attempts are not in prime position & the only way to score is threading the needle or blowing through 4 guys in front of you, the number of missed shots is the result. There is a reason wingers play on the off wing on power plays, chances are they would hit the fcking net more. The team is still built on Hartley's transition game. How many times did we see the late trailing D come in with a 10 bell chance. there was reason why we had Gio, Brodie & even Wideman in the top 20 scoring that year. If Hartley had the backend we went into this year with plus a goalie like Smith who was able to transition as well, this team would be playoff bound. How often we sat watching at the game as the D were to worried about getting back playing the box instead of being involved. Our coach did & has yet to get the best out of the group we have. He is stubborn & doesn't adjust during the games, let alone watch something be unsuccessful & roll out the same lineup game after game. Heard on talk show some players not 100% like Frolik. Well why did we keep him on that line when it obviously wasn't performing all year. Yes players didn't execute either but it's a total picture & its hard to trade & buyout 15 players but coaching staff is a way easier start.
Agree with me or not, but this was not a great year for paying ticket holders for excitement & entertainment. If this coach isn't gone, I will not buy any tickets for any games next year, I won't pay to watch this style of game. Im sure someone will, go have at her.
- Kevin R

I'm not sure what team you were watching, but it clearly wasn't the Flames. They were able to consistently create great scoring chances in prime positions, but then couldn't finish. The defence was also involved a ton. 2 of the top 3 shot producers were defencemen and Brodie would be up there as well if he could actually hit the net. Having defenceman that think about playing defence isn't a bad thing.

This article goes over a lot of the stats.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...bad-play-bad-luck-season/

Basically the Flames created siginificatly more scoring chances, high danger chances, scoring chances on net, and corsi than the teams they were playing against. Pretty much every player also scored far fewer goals than it was expected they'd score if you look at the stats.

Being able to finish isn't really a skill that a coach can teach a player. All they can do is put the players in position to score and Gulutzan did that. They don't need a better coach, they need better players or the players they have to play better.

You bring up Frolik, but they were already playing Ferland too high in the lineup. Who exactly on the roster was going to replace Frolik?

I guess I have to disagree with most of you on this coach thing. GG is the wrong coach for how this team was built. Corsi numbers go up because the high degree of shot attempts blew away the opponents shot attempts but if your shot attempts are not in prime position & the only way to score is threading the needle or blowing through 4 guys in front of you, the number of missed shots is the result. There is a reason wingers play on the off wing on power plays, chances are they would hit the fcking net more. The team is still built on Hartley's transition game. How many times did we see the late trailing D come in with a 10 bell chance. there was reason why we had Gio, Brodie & even Wideman in the top 20 scoring that year. If Hartley had the backend we went into this year with plus a goalie like Smith who was able to transition as well, this team would be playoff bound. How often we sat watching at the game as the D were to worried about getting back playing the box instead of being involved. Our coach did & has yet to get the best out of the group we have. He is stubborn & doesn't adjust during the games, let alone watch something be unsuccessful & roll out the same lineup game after game. Heard on talk show some players not 100% like Frolik. Well why did we keep him on that line when it obviously wasn't performing all year. Yes players didn't execute either but it's a total picture & its hard to trade & buyout 15 players but coaching staff is a way easier start.
Agree with me or not, but this was not a great year for paying ticket holders for excitement & entertainment. If this coach isn't gone, I will not buy any tickets for any games next year, I won't pay to watch this style of game. Im sure someone will, go have at her.
- Kevin R

Have you heard of the expected goals for stat? Do you care? Basically some very smart people track every shot, and rate its quality. They then convert the data into expected goals based on the shots taken. Using Corsica Hockey I quickly found that Calgary ranks 3rd in the league for xGF. That means only 2 teams have generated more higher quality scoring chances this season.

Have you heard of the expected goals for stat? Do you care? Basically some very smart people track every shot, and rate its quality. They then convert the data into expected goals based on the shots taken. Using Corsica Hockey I quickly found that Calgary ranks 3rd in the league for xGF. That means only 2 teams have generated more higher quality scoring chances this season.
- dr_soiledpants

Hunk can lick my balls because he argues everything with BS & I was at the games. So lets try to define what a 10 bell chance really is. To me, breakaway's & 2 on1's should equate into 10 bell opportunities. Alone in the slot & solid 1 timer from a player on the off-wing from the inner edge of the face off circle are 10 bell chances. I have seen lots of PP goals scored that way against, I rarely even see 1 opportunity like that on one of our PP's. Our power play sucked balls & it took 50 games before our rocket science coach actually put Hamilton who despite the lack of top PP time in the first 50 games, is the leading Dman for goals. It took that long to put the one gritty forward we had in Tkachuk on the #1 PP, the one guy that goes to the front of the net, creates havoc & can actually deflect a puck. In the rare event Brouwer goes to the front & try's to deflect the puck, he just stops it. Wash rinse repeat....wash rinse repeat....wash rinse repeat....ohhh... no playoffs. Thanks coach.
Quick quiz.... how many breakaways or even 2 on1's have the Flames had in the last 5 games? Then how many equated to goals versus how many we have given up. Sure glad we out corsi'd everyone.

I'm not sure what team you were watching, but it clearly wasn't the Flames. They were able to consistently create great scoring chances in prime positions, but then couldn't finish. The defence was also involved a ton. 2 of the top 3 shot producers were defencemen and Brodie would be up there as well if he could actually hit the net. Having defenceman that think about playing defence isn't a bad thing.

This article goes over a lot of the stats.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...bad-play-bad-luck-season/

Basically the Flames created siginificatly more scoring chances, high danger chances, scoring chances on net, and corsi than the teams they were playing against. Pretty much every player also scored far fewer goals than it was expected they'd score if you look at the stats.

Being able to finish isn't really a skill that a coach can teach a player. All they can do is put the players in position to score and Gulutzan did that. They don't need a better coach, they need better players or the players they have to play better.

You bring up Frolik, but they were already playing Ferland too high in the lineup. Who exactly on the roster was going to replace Frolik?
- Hunkulese

Agreed to an extent. I would like to see more traffic plays encouraged by coaching, but Brouwer kind of soaks up net front chances and does nothing with them. If Gulu wont budge on Brouwers usage during end of year interviews, he deserves to be fired. Enough is enough.